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You Want To Do What With Whom?

November 17th, 2009 1 comment

All right, so we all know the rumored deal, which is probably nothing more than just that – a rumor.

The deal would be for the Kings to send Kenny Thomas back to the 76ers and move Andres Nocioni to the Boston Celtics. In return, they’d receive J.R. Giddens and Samuel Dalembert.

Sounds pretty sweet, right? You get an allegedly big-time shot blocker to come push Spencer Hawes to his fight or flight instincts and have yourself a legitimate three big man rotation.

Here’s the problem: you’re giving up way too much to get the deal done.

This has nothing to do with the fact that the Kings had a rumored deal of Emeka Okafor in return for Kenny Thomas the other day. Those discussions don’t affect this feeling at all. The problem is that you’re passing up on your deepest position, making it instantly thin and hoping that a high-risk, little reward “defensive” presence inside gives you more depth where you need it.

Initially, this seems like a no-brainer. The Kings are nearly gluttonous at the wing when healthy and even with the two big injuries to Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia, they’re still running four deep with the versatility of Nocioni, Casspi, Greene, and now Udoka. And with Nocioni being your biggest and longest contract of the four players (and likely the most coveted by a title contender desperate for a veteran wing player), it seems absurd to deny unloading Nocioni when you’re getting a defensive center in return.

However, this really has nothing to do with this particular deal and has more to do with the theory of making this trade in general. According to Sam Amick, the deal is mostly dead because the Kings are weary of Sammy’s remaining two years for almost $25 million and that doesn’t even include his 10% trade kicker that would push it closer to $28 million. Also, the Celtics are apparently good at the wing and want nothing to do with Andres Nocioni even if it means giving up a couple of bench players of no value to them.

I have a problem with the idea of trading Andres Nocioni for anything other than someone of Emeka Okafor’s caliber. Now clearly, they are not nearly equal level players. But when you combine his shorter deal with the expiring contract of Kenny Thomas, the team the Kings would be trading with is getting a fairly big return in these economic moments.

Tom Ziller had a great breakdown of what Sam Dalembert could mean to the Kings. And in it, he had this seemingly throwaway line about Andres Nocioni:

“Given that the financial commitment is relatively short, and the price relatively small (no knock on Nocioni — again, he’s a bit superfluous here), it’s something any team in Sacramento’s position should consider.”

I agree with Tom in theory here but the problem I have is calling Noc “superfluous.”

Nocioni’s defense has been pretty much spectacular and he’s easily been the best wing defender for the Kings this year. Even though it looked ugly the night Kevin Durant put up 37 points in Arco, Nocioni made him work for every single basket and KD got bailed out quite a bit by the refs and their quick whistles. Andres did a great job of playing off-the-ball denial and making Durant work hard just to get the ball, let alone get it in the basket.

Now, the thinking here is the Kings depth at the wing makes trading him for a guy like Dalembert something to consider. But when you trade someone like Nocioni and only get a player like Sam Dalembert, who has been replaced by a John Hollinger dream child in Marreese Speights before he even really proved he could play, you’re instantly cutting your depth at a young position. And you’re cutting it with too much of a risk in return.

Omri Casspi has been great off the bench but as a rookie, especially an international rookie, (historically) he’s going to have big ups and downs throughout his first season. On top of that Donté Greene is basically a rookie himself because he was under (not) used during his first season and is still starting from square one. As of right now, the Kings are a game over .500 and in the playoff hunt after nine games.

Are they going to realistically make a push for the playoffs throughout the entire season? Probably not. In fact, their schedule gets pretty tough after the month of November and we’ll actually get to see just how good/tough this young team really is. But as long as you’re still in the hunt and the trade deadline still hasn’t passed, why rush a trade in which you’re not really getting any better? There’s usually one surprising team that makes a big playoff push every season and the Kings haven’t been eliminated from that, no matter how big-pie-in-the-sky that idea is.

The Kings can get much better in trading Nocioni and I don’t think he should be a mainstay if you can use his contract space in better ways (by grabbing a REAL defensive presence through a trade, not someone who still commits unnecessary goal tends at the age of 28.

While in theory Andres Nocioni is superfluous, in reality (under these circumstances) he still fills a big role in helping the young guys. Keep him until you can flip him for something better.

You may now proceed with grilling me on this issue.

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The Forgotten King

October 1st, 2009 2 comments
Sacramento Kings vs Denver Nuggets In Denver

This is actually an exciting time in Sacramento Kings basketball.

Sure, it was a different kind of excitement when this team was pushing 60 wins on the rest of the league every year and there are still some very real and valid concerns this team could be relocated if/when a new arena deal can’t be consummated (I’m still skeptical despite the Maloofs denial). But this is a time that can be even more memorable to Kings fans than flashbacks of Webber to Peja assists and Mike Bibby clutch shots of yesteryear.

Being a Kings fan right now is probably a lot like becoming a new father. The journey will be just as rewarding as the result. What I mean by that is with this current, rebuilding roster the Kings fans will watch the stages of a franchise growing up from an infancy stage. Back when the Kings exploded onto the scene after the NBA lockout ended, it wasn’t really a true rebuilding. They had a fairly veteran team and pretty much maintained their average team age. They went from a 27-win team in an 82-game season with an average age of 26.3 years old to a 27-win team in a 50-game season with an average age of 26.0 years of age. They did this through a nice draft pick, a savvy fleecing of the Bullets/Wizards with the Chris Webber trade and solid free agent pickups (headlined by Vlade Divac).

This year?

They’ll be hitting the fountain of youth like this franchise has never seen before. The Kings have regressed in age from last year’s 17-win team with an average age of 26.8 years of age to the newest roster of Arco warriors that averages an age of 24.8 years. They’ve gutted the glory of the past and decided to rebuild along the models of recent Portland Trailblazers and Boston Celtics teams. Those teams both built through young assets they acquired through trades and the draft. The Blazers were able to maintain their progression with those pieces and build a youthful, dangerous roster. The Celtics went another route with trading their assets for two veteran players that instantly turned them into championship contenders.

This Kings team seems to be heading towards the Portland style of rebuilding. Their core is so young that it feels like the drafting of Tyreke Evans was the birth of the next generation of Kings basketball. As Kings fans, you’ll be able to see this child progress through their first words (when the team posts a non-losing record for a month) to their first step (when they smack the Lakers in the mouth with a convincing win in Los Angeles) to their first day of school (the eventual playoff berth) to the day that they see their kids off to college and adulthood (perennial title contention). The journey will be as much of the reward as the NBA championship. You’ll look back at some combination of Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, Kevin Martin, Omri Casspi, Donte Greene, and Tyreke Evans and think about how you watched them grow up in front of your eyes. It’s a process that will take years (hopefully not 18) and there will be plenty of players remembered and forgotten.

And one of these players that has already been forgotten seems to be Andres Nocioni.

Nocioni is a very forgettable player. He’s not particularly eye opening with his talents even though he’s very solid at nearly every aspect of the game. But he’s also not really terrible at anything either. When he was acquired, he seemed to be nothing more than contract fodder. He was a semi-throw-in for the luxury of not having to pay Brad Miller this coming season. Sure, it was more complicated and calculated than that but essentially, nobody looked at this transaction and thought, “Holy S^$t! We got Andres Nocioni!”

And essentially, we don’t know much about Nocioni. He scores a decent amount of points (11.9 for his career, 13.7 in 23 games with Kings). He’s a decent rebounder (6 per game with the Kings) and his defense is pretty solid. His defensive rating was always pretty respectable when he was on the Bulls (a defensive-minded team), which speaks more to his team than it does to his actual ability but he accompanies those numbers with a reputation for being a tough, physical defender. And he doesn’t mind mixing it up with even the most heinous people around the league.

NBA 2009: Bulls Beat Cavaliers 102-93

You can look at his numbers from this past season with the Kings and they are nice but forgettable – except for his three-point shooting. He’s a career sub-40% long-range shooter but managed to make 45 of his 102 attempts (44.1%) with the Kings. Unfortunately, he’s not THAT good of a shooter. So what can we expect from him this season?

I asked Matt McHale – proprietor of BullsByTheHorns.com – to expound on what we can expect from Andres Nocioni over the long haul:

Here’s the thing with Noc: You can’t judge him by the raw numbers. He’s just not a raw numbers guy. Sure, he’ll have the occasional big game here or there, or have a hot shooting streak. But he’s not, nor will he ever be, the second coming of Manu Ginobili.

Noc is what Hubie Brown likes to call an Intangible Man. He plays hard and does the dirty work. He doesn’t demand shots and he enjoys playing defense. He has a blood lust to win. And even though he rarely lit up the stat sheet, the Bulls were often a better team when he was on the floor (as I explained here).

In essence, he would make an ideal role player on a contender. Unfortunately, the Bulls weren’t contenders and the Kings aren’t either…so his effectiveness and utility is greatly diminished.”

Sure, the Kings aren’t contenders for anything other than the first pick in the 2010 draft but does that mean he can’t be instrumental in the cultivating of this roster? I think guys like Andres Nocioni are completely instrumental in rebuilding teams. He’s essentially filling the Joel Pryzbilla role for the Kings that the pale center has played for the Blazers as they reformed their roster. You need someone who does the little/intangible things on a regular basis. You need things done on the court that will be forgotten or missed by the box score but leave a feeling of comfort and pride in the fans that watch it get done.

Will it benefit the Kings to jettison Nocioni’s contract to a contender in order to clear cap space and save money? It could. Will it be better for guys like Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, and Donte Greene to experience his toughness on a daily basis over the next couple of years? Absolutely.

Andres is going to be the defensive glue guy. You almost have to play him with Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes together because a frontcourt of JT, Hawes, and Donte Greene would be the most embarrassing thing to happen to defense since Troy Hudson. What Nocioni can do over this season is what Kings fans hoped Ron Artest could have accomplished with Francisco Garcia and Kevin Martin. While Cisco is a pretty decent defender, Martin’s defensive shortcomings are close to a wash when you compare it with his efficient scoring.

We probably all thought Artest would come in, show the young guys how to be a defensive player, and transform this team into a light version of the Spurs. Unfortunately, Ron is completely unpredictable and for the most part, he left a carbon footprint that speaks nothing of improvement for this franchise. Nocioni is a different type of guy. He’s prideful in a non-threatening, non-inhibiting way. He’ll never make this show about him and will only try to do his job and help his team. And THAT’S why he’s so important for this crop of Kings.

It would be bad to continually leave him out of the conversation this season. He isn’t as important as someone like Tyreke Evans or Kevin Martin but he’s more necessary to the ultimate growth than Donte Greene and Omri Casspi.

After all, you wouldn’t want to watch this team five years from now and not be able to remember exactly how they got here.

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Rest Easy Not So Big Forwards

July 3rd, 2009 15 comments

For anyone still hoping for a big splash at the small forward position, this is going to be disappointing. The small forwards of free agency have been raided and are now being signed by any and every contender for next year.

While the Kings have Andres Nocioni, Donte Greene and now Omri Casspi at the small forward position, quite a few fans wanted the Kings to either bring back Hedo Turkoglu or go after a young player with a lot of potential like Trevor Ariza. Well, I have bad news — all of the small forwards have been signed this off-season.

Okay, not ALL the small forwards have been signed. But all of the small forwards that are interesting or intriguing to the Kings rebuilding effort have been scooped up.

- Hedo Turkoglu agreed in principle to a contract with the Portland Trailblazers. The deal is believed to be worth around $50 million over five years.

- Trevor Ariza has agreed in principle to sign with the Houston Rockets to play alongside Tracy McGrady’s ghost and Shane Battier’s underratedness. The deal is supposed to be for the full mid-level exception (roughly five years, $33.5 million).

And for the few remaining fans who wanted Ron Artest to be brought back to Sacramento (see: Carmichael Dave and his radio show production team):

- Ron Artest has agreed to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers to play alongside his best friend and idol Kobe Bryant. The deal should be around  five years and $33.5 million, just like the Ariza contract.

With all of the good small forwards gone, perhaps we should look to a bigger player for the addition.