Two seasons ago, there was a training camp battle brewing in Sacramento between Omri Casspi and Donté Greene for the Kings’ starting small forward position. Boy, does that seem like a long time ago. But, fast forward two years later and Keith Smart is in the midst of a similar dilemma at point guard.
“That’s the hardest thing,” Smart said before Friday night’s game against the Indiana Pacers. “I think Brooks has moved to the forefront for now and I think his situation is pretty clear with how he’s playing and how the unit’s been playing.”
That clears up some of the confusion about who will get the start. Aaron Brooks brings a veteran leadership quality that neither two have quite mastered. But what does that mean for Smart’s two second-year point guards that are chomping at the bit to play?
Smart knows decision time is upon him. Does he give the minutes to Jimmer Fredette, the tenth overall pick in the 2010 NBA Draft? Or does he go with Isaiah Thomas, who emerged from oblivion to steal the starting job last season?
“Those two young men deserve and need to play,” a clearly perplexed Smart said following yesterday’s loss to Indiana. “But obviously, you can’t play all three point guards. I know it’s tough on those guys and all they have to do is be pros about it and try to keep their minds focused and ready for the basketball game.”
And that is what they have done. Both Thomas and Fredette have played extremely effective minutes over the last week, which makes matters even worse.
Thomas is in a similar situation. In the first Utah match-up, Thomas sat for all 48 minutes. The next night, he split the reserve time with Jimmer, before coming off the bench to score 12 points in 21 minutes against the Timberwolves.
“I have to give those guys consistent minutes to find out for sure,” Smart added. “And that probably means eliminating one guy for a period of time and that’s always going to be difficult because both guys can play. Both guys bring something completely different from the other.”
And he’s right, both players can play at the NBA level and they bring completely different skill sets. Jimmer is a free wielding scorer, who creates well off the dribble. He has a variety of floaters and jumpers and his range is limitless. Thomas, on the other hand, is a quality pick-and-roll point guard with a solid catch-and-shoot, long-range shot.
At this point in their careers, Jimmer is the more polished offensive weapon, but he is still a ways away on the defensive end. Thomas is a better defender and even a better system scorer, but the Kings don’t really have what you would call a set offensive system.
So it’s time for Smart to make a decision and stick with it, and he knows it. It’s a tough one, but in the long term, it is what is right for the team.
“All you can do is have both of them ready,” Smart said pregame. “Keep trying to communicate to them. Keep encouraging them that it has nothing to do with you. Somehow, that will keep them into the games.”
It’s the situation they are in. And unfortunately, it is the situation Smart is in. At 4-11, the Kings need to cut down their rotation. Smart could use Tyreke Evans at small forward more often in attempt to steal minutes from other positions on the floor. But for continuity sake, one of these guys needs to sit and watch while the other one gets his shot.
James Ham provides coverage through news analysis and in-depth interviews with Kings players and staff. James is also one of the producers behind the award-winning, independent documentary "Small Market, Big Heart". James graduated UC Davis with a degree in history and is happily married with two children.
IT had his shot last year and we had the dismal record to prove it. Play Jimmer, then fire Smart.
Coop
Just trade Jimmer to an actual TEAM. Then all the problems would be fixed.
BostonBryan
Seriously dislike Smart. I REALLY hope he plays Thomas, benches and lets Jimmer go to another team where he will light it up. Smart is a joke.
Rockylong
Even If the Jimmer fans have been right all along, they are STILL ANNOYING. Never been more annoyed by a fanbase. If anybody else on the kings but Jimmer shoots, they call that player a Ball Hog. But if Jimmer shoots it everytime he touches it, he isn’t a ball hog he is great! I wonder if BYU fans are the most annoying fans in the country.
Rs2605
Jimmer cannot play defense at the NBA level, and his shot selection isn’t steady enough to offset his lack of steals, blocks, assists, and rebounds. He will take a longer time to develop, and Europe seems to be the definite future, where if he develops right then Jimmer will be able to return to the NBA.
IT’s shot selection still isn’t ideal, thus he’s back on the bench, but he runs the team more efficiently than any other point guard on the squad. Smart is in his head with the yo-yo minutes he’s been receiving. I agree that IT isn’t a godsend in terms of a point guard, yet his defense, at a much smaller size than Jimmer showing quite a bit of heart, is much stronger in the pick and roll and post up games. The Kings have enough terrible defenders that allowing another open door at the point guard role really hurts Jimmer. In the NBA, you can be a wonderful scorer (see Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, Marshawn Brooks) but if you can’t guard your position then the bench or out of the league is in the future and Jimmer is clearly a less capable defender than any of the previous examples. Also, both IT and Jimmer aren’t the answer in the long term for the Kings since currently in the NBA a 6’2-6’4 speed guard the formula for success at the point guard position since the hard checking rules of the last decade.
Jazzsuns
Trade Jimmer – he needs to be on a team who will use his offensive skills (in other words to a team with a coach who knows HOW to coach a team).
Spadnews
Ham get a clue. Jimmer is electrifying and deserves to be with a team that appreciates him. He is the next Steve Nash. He can set up teammates just like Nash. And Jimmer obviously has three-point range just like Nash. Let smart less have Thomas and maybe he can continue to try and screw up his career just like he’s trying to do to Jimmer. Look at last night ball hog cousins puts up 17 crappy shotsandonly makes 5. Who wants to play with that ball hog.free Jimmer to the lakers.
Jliddmed
Um Jimmer is assisting at a much higher rate than IT and he turning the ball over much less… Those aren’t opinions, those are facts…. Fact is Jimmer has outplayed Thomas and brooks …
Spadnews
Rs2065 you are clueless. Maybe you should follow another sport because you know nothing about basketball. You talk about jimmers lack of defense and rebounding. He’s a winner. Steve Nash was league MVP twice and jimmer plays better defense than him.
Spadnews
Jimmer doesn’t have to shoot it every time. But his limited minutes he’s trying to impress that moron smart. Jimmer had to shoot at byu. He’s a point guard who sees the courtandpassestothe open man.hesa ball hog like Thornton,cousins and Evans. Cousins shoots only 42 percent and he’s 6-11 for crying out loud. Garnett and Duncan shoot over50 percent. You too need to feta clue about basketball!
BP
RIP Jimmer. We will all mourn your loss but know that you will move on to a better place.
Tmalstrom01
Is Jimmer still leading the team in PER? Keith Dumb is a terrible coach.
Calvin Wells
Jimmer has not been given the same chances that IT has received. I’m not saying that IT didn’t deserve that playing time, particularly last year, but it’s time to see what Jimmer can do with extended minutes for an extended period of time. I’m talking about many games at 25 minutes or more per game. I’m not talking about just a couple of games. IT got game after game, week after week, month after month, to develop. Let’s give Jimmer the same burn and see what happens. It’s really can’t get any worse for the Kings, and they need to figure out what they do or do not have in Jimmer.
Or, if the King’s aren’t willing to find out what Jimmer might become with real playing time, trade him, please. Find a solid veteran that you can stick at the end of the bench – someone you know can handle the basics, and move forward with IT and Brooks. Uhgg.
It doesn’t do Jimmer or the Kings any good to stick him on the bench. It would be a different thing if Jimmer hadn’t shown such improvement. But, he has shown very good progress, and the King’s don’t know where the ceiling is. Jimmer sitting at the end of the bench means the Kings never find out what kind of ceiling Jimmer might have. Unacceptable waste of a lottery pick. If you’re not going to play your lottery pick from just a year ago, move him via trade. Get some value for him rather than let him waste away on the bench.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PQEVHE6ZAD7WLSFCA45IYOQWGQ El Guapo
Play Brooks and IT. Trade Jimmer to a team that isn’t a sinkhole and has a decent coach.
Ed Jackson
Jimmer is like 4th or 5th in the NBA in points per minute played (behind Lebron, Durant, Kobe, etc)and is in the top 10 in efficiency as well. Its no contest and Smart not giving Jimmer extended minutes is beyond me. He still has to go through growing pains but hell, he cant do that playing 5 min a game. Ridiculous.
asingh11
Smart has no idea how to run an NBA team. Isaiah’s shown he’s a very talented and up and coming point guard, but gets benched because Smart needed a goat for his losses. Isaiah torched NBA defenses in the pick and roll, last year, so what does Smart do, he decides to abandon the pick and roll, play him off the ball, and run a completely ineffective offense. There’s a reason Demarcus’ shooting percentages are so low, he doesn’t have a true point guard to put him in the right position. Tyreke’s been playing excellent lately with Aaron Brooks, but reality is AB is probably not going to be the point guard of the future. Isaiah definitely struggled with turnovers this year, but it’s still way too early in the season to say he’s out as a starter. Smart’s rotation are stupid with his big man too, t-rob over chuck hayes! (there’s a reason David West dropped 31 yesterday!) Personally, I don’t think we have our point guard yet, Jimmer’s no Steve Nash flat out and simple, (Nash is a playmaker and Jimmer’s a jacker), Isaiah could play a B-Jax kind of role but we need a legit point guard to compliment Tyreke. I like Reke making plays but he’s never going to be able to run an offense on his own. Also, Geoff needs to figure out how to get a Small Forward, (it really isn’t that hard!) And JT is definitely a terrible compliment at PF. Fire Petrie and the Maloofs, 7 years of rebuilding and our only legit starters are Tyreke and Cousins. I swear Reke and Cousins cant play up to their potential with such a crappy staff. Both of them should play 37 minutes a night. Trade Thornton, Jason, and Jimmer, and find a small forward.
asingh11
So Isaiah’s graded by his wins and losses, but Jimmer’s graded by his PER, which is sort of irrelevant when he plays so little.
asingh11
Jimmer played 18 minutes a game last year, Isaiah played 25 minutes, it really isn’t that different. And I don’t get the theory that Jimmer’s got this ridiculously high ceiling, and Isaiah just flattens out. Both are young talented point guards with skills to be solid floor generals in the future but neither are totally there yet.
bw3089
I know Jimmer is no Steve Nash as a PG but he is a willing passer and he makes up for his lack of speed on offense with his floaters and his unlimited range and he will only get better with time on offense and defense. he could be a real good complement to Tyreke in the backcourt. I like Brooks but they should trade him before the deadline as his value increases because I find it hard to believe that with a player option he would stay here which would mean we get nothing in return Trade him to Phili for Darrel Wright or another wing who can shoot and play some Defense and let Jimmer and IT take over the PG duties last season after IT took over as PG we did much better on offense. and with a more talented team this year we should be doing much better offensively but the problem is coaching IT in the Pick and Roll was near unstoppable last year and now that the team has gotten away from it it shows in the shooting % of guys like DMC and even MT23 game is down a level from last year. Let Jimmer and IT figure it out and find a coach that tailors the system to his players strengths..
Rs2605
No need to get mad, sadly Jimmer isn’t a 50-40-90% guy like Nash nor is he an assist machine like Nash, so there is no comparison. Look, I get you rooted for the guy in college, yet in the NBA Jimmer is a small role player who will make his way to Europe following his rookie contract. Jimmer is clearly a worse defender than Nash at the same age, if you mean the 38 year old Nash then I’ll agree. IT isn’t levels above Jimmer in talent, but he can run an NBA system, something Jimmer isn’t capable of. Jimmer is a shooting guard in a point guard’s body, and that doesn’t bode well for him. Think about it, Jimmer was a lottery pick whose defense has been so terrible that the final pick of the same draft class is taking minutes away from Jimmer, due again to the said defense. Smart wouldn’t play IT if defense wasn’t an issue.
Rs2605
Also, I don’t recall Jimmer winning the NCAA championship…so the winner argument gets thrown out quickly.
Matthew Grace
It is a mystery that
a guy shooting 50% + from the field –on a POOR shooting team-and a Great passer who makes
everybody better on the court doesn’t get more minutes..HE PLAYS LESS THAN HALF
THE TIME BROOKS OR THOMAS GETS. Fredette’s defense is better than Isiah’s and
as good or better than Brooks-so please dont roll out that lame excuse..its a
lie.).
Aaron Brooks and
Isaiah Thomas are ranked 44th and 46Th in PER for point guards in the NBA..
Each of them recieve more than 20 minutes playing time per game.. Jimmer
Fredette is ranked 5th in the NBA in overall in PER. He receives 9 minutes per
game. Jimmer Fredette avgs 31 pts per game -per minute !!! 5th in the NBA !!! NOBODY on
the Kings is even close to that! Jimmer is THE ONLY POINT GUARD IN THE TOP 50
PER WHO GETS LESS THAN 10 MINUTES PER GAME. on a losing team….THAT’S BLATANT ABUSE. JF
averages 31 points per game per minute…also 5th in the NBA !
The Kings are a
losing team refusing to play one of the Best scorers in the league!!!
Now
somebody explain how that makes ANY sense?
Ogh_pal
FREE JIMMER!!
Markie Mormon
LeBron + Kobe + Durant = jimmer sez this yo yo…
Mr. Gettohell outofTown
Be smart and Fire Jimmer….
braineater000
By that theory the entire NCAA minus one team is full of losers. Nice try.
Matthew Grace
Poor coach “smart” is having difficulty deciding who should start or play more minutes on his losing team…Here’s some help coach, besides the OBVIOUS FACT that Fredette is outplaying Brooks and Thomas and just about every other point guard in the NBA…:
NBA PER
RANKINGS
JImmer Fredette # 12
(Ahead
of Westbrook, Harden, Rondo, Irving)
Aaron
Brooks #204
Isaiah
Thomas #223
PER NBA
RANKINGS for Point Guards
Jimmer
Fredette #2
(only
Chris Paul is ahead of Jimmer)
Aaron
Brooks #44
Isaiah
Thomas #50
Now that that is cleared up I look forward to Fredette playing 30 minutes against the Lakers tonight..;)
braineater000
They don’t care what you think.
Rs2605
Not trying anything, I don’t recall DCuz being called a winner ever even tho his college team did better than Jimmer’s. Where is Jimmer proven he’s a winner? BYU? Plz
Rs2605
Can’t be a winner if your always on the bench, step up your D Jimmer
Rs2605
Some of these Kings fans need to stop reading local stories and stop drinking the cool-aid these writers dish out. Kings are looking like a lottery team yet again, though you wouldn’t know it reading these articles, with a team full of parts that duplicate each other (Evans-Thorton, Cousins-J Thompson, Brooks-Jimmer-IT).
IOW from those quotes, look for Jimmer to see a whole lot of pine time over the next several games. We already know that Smart likes IT a whole lot, and he wants him to take the job. If Smart was the GM, Jimmer would already be cut/traded.
http://www.facebook.com/justin.lee.71619 Justin Lee
Jimmer is being sabotaged by Keith Smart and possibly the Kings organization. Jimmer’s ceiling is way higher than Brooks or IT or MT and he’s also playing better than all three, yet he receives less minutes than all of them. DISGUSTING.
http://www.facebook.com/justin.lee.71619 Justin Lee
lol…Jimmer 3 assists last night in 17 minutes…
AB and IT 1 in 63 minutes…
Dumbass.
http://www.facebook.com/justin.lee.71619 Justin Lee
Keith Smart is a RACIST. FREE JIMMER.
Matt Foley
He’s a 50, 40, 90 guy this year in limited minutes. That’s a fact. Who knows how he’ll pan out. But to judge a guy based on a strike shortened season with a new coach. Unfair. People act like he is such a liability on defense because they listen to rhetoric. He is not a good defender. But, since when has that been the staple of the kings, or Keith Smarts coached teams? Aaron Brooks isn’t the glove either. Btw, what games has anyone been watching where Aaron Brooks has “stood out” as a mainstay?
PS if we want to knock shot selection, let’s begin with Thornton. ie his fadeaway three with time on the clock last night. Selfish.
#kingsallday
BirdDogger
The Utah Jazz regularly play three point guards in a game and have done so semi-successfully for two years now. It’s not a controversy at all here in Utah. We know that Mo Williams is the starter and whoever has the hot hand between Jamaal Tinsley or Earl Watson is who will get the minutes. The players understand that they won’t be on the floor if they are not playing well. Likewise, they won’t leave the court if the team is winning and playing effective basketball.
Spadnews
Winner? What inthe he’ll are you talking about.byu with less talent won its league championship over a more talented San Diego state. Then buy made a nice run in the NCAA tournament but had to play without one of its best players because he had sex with his girlfriend. Ur listening to all this garbage Keith no smarts is telling the media. The kings cousins is ne of the most overrated players in the NBA. Jimmer hasn’t been given a chance. You like thugs like ball hog cousins.
Say what
You got all that in what Cougar007 said? Nobody from what I saw is dissin Isaiah, personally I think he’s a good player, they both have good attributes. Isaiah by the way was graded last year by his PER too that’s why he got minutes. The problem is the Kings need to get rid of guards on there roster there loaded with them, so trade one of them and get another big guy, and who cares on either. Personally as someone who likes Jimmer get rid of him so he can play for a decent coach and organization. I thought Jimmers struggles came down to playing a new position with a shortened season, you can see that this year on how much he has improved. But please the whole double standard thing, maybe you should look into the mirror before you start spouting off about that, likening him too the KKK, it’s amazing you look at that and see the race card! Grow up!
CainTheHorse
Kings fans are at the point where they are sick and tired of the whining from Jimmer fans. Jimmer’s teammates are also sick of the hype. Most of them think they are better than him anyway. Jimmer fans hate pretty much everything about the Kings organization. For the benefits of all parties involved, it’s time the Kings parted ways with little Jimbo.
Say What
Wow do you always take things so litteral? Doesn’t seem like Ed is comparing Jimmer to any of those players, but it doesn’t diminish that his scoring efficiency is high and he’s making the most out of his minutes, that’s the point. I’m sure his point is give him another 5 to 10 minutes of a game and it should benefit a lousy team. So why the hate for Jimmer? Seems like all he’s done is have a good attitude, and come in and play well so far, usually bench players are liked when they do that.
Rs2605
Agreed
Spadnews
Right on! Free Jimmer!
Rs2605
I’d rather have Cousins than Jimmer man, your quite bias. It shows.
Rs2605
Nice use of “thugs” also, Cousins hasn’t gotten arrested or in a physical altercation with another play (Rondo). Yes, he has the biggest mouth outside of Rasheed Wallace, but don’t use the term “thug” to describe an individual at their personal level if you don’t have any personal dealing with the person. I criticize Jimmer on his abilities as a player, yet you attack Cousins based on how he likes fouls called against him? 18 & 11 doesn’t lie. Dunno dude, dunno about you.
Spadnews
Cousins is a thug and one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He’s 6-11 and shoots only 42 percent from the field! That’s a disgrace. And he’s turnover and foul prone. He gets the ball, puts his head down and drives to the basket. What a comment you made rs2605. Who couldn’t win the NCAA title with all the talent Kentucky has. Jimmer is a great player and a class act – something you can’t say about ball hog bad attitude cousins!
Spadnews
Yea you would.ur about as smart as coach Smartless. The kings have no ball movement and play only one on one. Jimmer is a team player. Cousins is a ball hog!
TimDonaghyBlows
You mean you tell me you don’t think Marcus Thorton has love for Fredette???
stunt40oz
Jimmer’s problem is that he doesn’t play any defense. Oh wait, neither does any other player on the King’s team.
macdre23
I like how Smart has added Garcia to the King’s zoo of guards fighting for minutes. Now 8 players can fight for 2 positions! F*** giving rotations the chance to develop chemistry! EXTEND COACH SMART NOW BEFORE THE LAKERS POACH HIM FROM US!!!!
bamarolltide08
The other day on the radio I heard Bruce Bowen say Antoine Walker was the most selfish player he’s ever played with. Bowen said on one possession, he got knocked into Walker while Walker had the ball. There was already 3 other opposing players guarding Walker. Dude still shot the ball. Over a freaking quadruple team. After hearing this, I thought, what a perfect comparison to Marcus “Black Hole” Thorton.
Nottaphan
Smart and the gang are just racist. Jimmer has some of the best stats on the team.
Spadnews
Hello is rsg2605 or whatever watching the first half of the kings embarrassment against the clippers. You keep on talking about jimmers defense. What in the hell defense did you see from the kings in the first half. And again he plays head games with Jimmer and doesn’t play him but he plays Garcia and Thomas before him. Smart is a moron. And a RACIST!!!
Rs2605
All I see is Jimmer looking terrible again on Defense against Bledsoe…did you see that cross over and dunk? Don’t get mad and use caps, your better than that. Evans and Cousins are the engines of this team, with Thorton the spark of the bench and TRob has a solid future. Jimmer is a European player, Spain, Greece, or Italy prob. He way way way to slow on defense and doesn’t have a solid defense foundation, Europe will certainly teach him that. Just look at Singler on DET. he went to Europe for a year and has found success, as did Brandon Jennings.
Spadnews
Get a life rg 2065! Jimmer didn’t come in until the kings were 30 points down moron. How do you think Jimmer felt not playing. Stupid smart plays kind games. Look how selfish the kings are. Jimmer is wide open, waving his arms but most of the kings just force up a shot. PLEASE don’t bring up jimmers defense. What freakin king played any defense against the kings. The clippers scored 116 points for crying out loud. You know nothing about basketball. The kings play like selfish losers. Jimmer had four assists and could have had more in limited playing time. Take up hop scotch. You probably know more about that!
Rs2605
I don’t believe that Smart, a college player under Bobby Knight at Ind who also hit the game winning shot in the NCAA Championship game, is a racist. He grew up in the 60s under a time of civil unrest, and I truly believe he knows a lot more about racism than you do Spadnews. Try to be civil and debate with facts and not emotion.
Marko
For those of you that want to compare Fredette to Steve nash–saying that Fredette is mo Steve Nash, here are some eye opening stats that say that Fredette could easily blossom and become a Nash. Nash’s first year in the league: 10.5 min, 2.1 ast, 3.3 pts, 2nd yr: 21.9 min, 3.4 ast, 9.1 pts, 3rd yr: 31.7 min, 5.5 ast, 7.9 pts, 44th yr: 27..4 min, 4.9 ast, 8.6 pts, 5th yr: 34.1 min, 7.3 ast, 15.6 pts. It took him 5 years to reach double figures in points and it was not until his 9th year that he averaged double figures in assists. If anyone was predicting in the first four years of his career, that Steve Nash was going to be a 2 time MVP let alone an All-Star, that person would have been been accused of smoking something funny! Jimmer Fredette will blossom into a solid player–just not with the kings and certainly not under Keith Dumb–I mean Smart. It took Steve nash being traded away from his original team–the Suns–to start to make an impact with the Mavericks and even at that, it took being traded back to the Suns at the start of his 9th pro year to become a superstar. Fredette fans–be patient. And yes, he will have a better pro career than Thomas or Thornton or Brooks–just not with the Kings.
Spadnews
Good point Marko. Jimmer just has to go on a team where he can run the team. He’s an excellent passer and be like Steve Nash some time. But not under that moron smart. And mr. Rg2065 quit talking about Jimmer defense. Why don’t you dwell on cousins 42 percent shooting. That’s a joke for someone 6-11. I just hope Jimmer gets traded soon so fans like you rs2605 don’t have to worry about awhite player excelling. I don’t give a dawn if smart made the winning shot in 1987. Knight ran some many screens smart got open.too bad smart doesn’t run any plays.
Rs2605
haha Steve Nash…0-6 from the field today for Jimmer
asingh11
That’s disgraceful man, Cousins isn’t a thug, he’s human being. Show some respect, he’s never done anything illegal. He’s done a lot of great things in our community. Yeah, his basketball IQ is lacking and he’s got immaturity issues, but that’s no reason for disrespecting him. What’s up with this double standard, Jimmer shot horrible last year and the blame was coaching and inexperience. Well Demarcus has the exact same coach and he’s even younger than Jimmer! Like seriously, I’m guaranteed if JF ever read these comments, he’s be seriously embarrassed, unless of course he secretly hates his teammates.
asingh11
WTF??? Jimmer’s a team player, 50% of his offense is pull three pointers. He definitely isn’t willing to sacrifice his body physically on defense or offense (understandably) like other players on this roster, (a very small few unfortunately) And DMC’s a ball dominant player, but so are a lot of inexperienced young offensive minded big man. He’s younger than Jimmer for crying out loud. The ball movement problem is apparently everybody’s fault except Jimmer, that makes no sense, what’s up with these crazy double standards! DMC and Tyreke are actually decent to good playmakers at their position, but the at our point guard position, that’s where there’s not enough. Aaron jacks up shots, and plays off Tyreke decently, but definitely provides too little, Isaiah’s been coached terrible this year, Smart has made him play off the ball (where he actually was effective scorer as a starter) rather than let him make plays for his teammates or torch defenses with pick and roll. Idk understand how bad coaching only affects Jimmer, for everyone else it’s their fault, quoted by the a ridiculous amount of Jimmer fans “get a clue.)
asingh11
Jimmer’s lack of defensive ability is at a level lower than even the lowly Kings. And offensively, his shooting % dropped 4% over one game simply because he hasn’t played that much. Chances are, expecting him to play 30 minutes, and score with efficiency he has is unrealistic. He’s been productive and coached poorly (like every young player on this roster) but he isn’t the Kings’s Messiah. (That would be Tyreke and Demarcus if we could get a legit coach to develop them.)
asingh11
Thornton is undeniably more talented than Jimmer. And why can’t this Steve Nash theory apply to Isaiah, or any young point guard, is there some defining charateristic that makes Jimmer the next Steve Nash. Isaiah’s jump shot is just as solid as Jimmer, and young point guards like Jeff Teague, Mike Conley, Darren Collison, Jeff Teague, Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, all had solid numbers early in their careers, but none of them are ever going to be close to Steve Nash (maybe Jrue but he’s more of a scorer).
asingh11
wow 4 dimes, holy shi*, Isaiah averaged that last year in the crappy Kings offense over a season. Tyreke averaged 6 dimes a game as a rookie, and literally would have averaged about 8, with the wide open shots he got his teammates if he was surrounded by better talent than beno udrih, donte greene, omri casspi, garcia, thompson, spencer hawes, and carly landry. Tyreke’s the NBA’s next D-Wade, he’s an excellent playmaker for a SG. Tyreke’s even younger than Jimmer, but much more developed.
http://twitter.com/dacannabiskid Newington
jimmer
asingh11
Isaiah played 25 minutes a game last season, even as a starter his minutes were limited. Keith Smart would bench a rolling Isaiah Thomas so that Jimmer could get developing minutes which led to him averaging 18 minutes a night shooting 38%. Keith Smart isnt just coaching bad towards Jimmer, he sucks at coaching the whole team. He isnt racist and doesnt have favortism. He just isnt an NBA calibar coach/
http://twitter.com/dacannabiskid Newington
Tyreke goes down & Jimmer gets a couple more min then usual. Isaiah, Thornton, and Brooks are going to have to get moved or injured for Jimmer to see extended mins. Then still Smart would probably start Salmons and Garcia before Jimmer. Or call Honeycutt back up from D league. Or maybe tell Bobby Jackson to put on a Jersey before he considers Fredette.
asingh11
Are you kidding? He, like many Jimmer fans, have unfairly disrespected Isaiah and anyone that poises a threat to Jimmer’s “precious” minutes. And you’re saying I introduced this race card? Seriously, throughout the comments, the theories I’ve seen are absolutely ridiculous, concerning Keith Smart’s apparent racist hatred of JF. First off, Smart’s a urban individual, it isn’t like he grew up in the ghetto, that he’d be so backwards. One theory I heard from this one guy brought it back to Smart’s college days and family life, like seriously is Jimmer really that holy to you? (it was absolutely hilarious and mocked by Sactown Royalty extensively (the Kings fans’ blog). I’m not racist, and I don’t think JF fans are either, their just so infatuated with this guy that they don’t realize how shameful some of them can sound. Personally, I don’t care who is our PG, as long as he’s coached properly, is producing, and helping us rake in wins. And as far the KKK reference goes, (I’m white so you know) you tell me another group of individuals who’d ever say that a white man is being treated unfairly without any sane reasoning behind it, especially in something like basketball. I’ve even heard JF fans say let him play simply for racial diversity, like seriously I’ve never heard such ridiculous statements about basketball. They’ve also demonstrated a clear double standard towards Jimmer and the Kings, when Jimmer struggled last year it was because he was coached poorly and was inexperienced, while players that are younger than him like Tyreke and DMC are tossed aside as selfish, arrogant thugs that should shoulder the blame. First off neither of them are thugs, they’re both clean as far their criminal record goes, and both of them have been coached very poorly throughout their careers but they still find ways to produce. As far as the PG situation, I’d rather remove Aaron completely, (Isaiah better than him in every facet of the game, and a purer PG,) and jbring in Jimmer as a legit backup, (he’s not getting traded, no matter who begs for it, the Maloofs aren’t the greatest owners if you havent heard.) Isaiah’s been coached very poorly this year, he torches NBA defenses in the pick and roll, and Keith Smart decides to run a completely ineffective offense instead. DMC needs a coach to tell him to roll to the rim on a pick and roll, and go into the low post, and not the high post. Tyreke’s been solid actually lately, and has been showing he can live up to his superstar potential. Jimmer Fredette needs to come off screens and get wide open looks from Chuck Hayes and run some pick and roll too. (All point guards should run P & R) Lastly, the extremes of JF fans are extremely disgraceful to SK fans, (who are the best fans in the history in the sports, I may be biased a little) who’ve always been loyal, sincere, and hold the people at fault accountable. Players for bad playing, coaches for bad coaching, gm’s for making bad rosters, and owners for being evil (maloofs) Sorry I’m ranting at you, but I havent said anything in long time and thought I may as well say it here.
Astigmatism
As a
Markymarcum
As a BYU and Jimmer fan I can say that most of us dont think smart is racist, we just dont think he is a good coach.
Sdunn73
Us Jimmer or little Jimbo fans that you call us can’t agree with you more. Part ways with him so he can get out of that crap organization you call the Kings, soon to be some where else.
King Man
What he’s saying is correct…look at the stats: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-48-minutes/sort/avg48Points
Jimmer is #9 in the league in points per minute played. He’s also #30 in PER (efficiency). He’s much higher in those stats than any other King. I agree that Jimmer needs more playing time to evaluate his potential. The Kings have nothing to lose as they are lottery bound already. Smart needs to see the exit door soon.
http://twitter.com/sosasura chad wiggins
is that what he said….? lebron+kobe+durant=jimmer…. he’s not the yoyo… he simply stated two stats that were true, and then stated the company who was ahead of fredette… the only ones with better scoring per48 happened to be those three… the fact that fredette only gets, 7 min a game is ridiculous…
Matt Foley
Not expecting him to continue his efficiency is unrealistic based on what? I love looking at facts. I’m a details guy. At what points does no ones past performance matter, and coach goes with the guys that give us a chance to win.
Gash
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Nacho
I agree with asingh11. I’m a fan of Jimmer and I hope the situation improves for him. But I also wish the rest of the team the best with all they’re struggling with. No need to disrespect.
Edneely
No it’s just the facts idiot.
Matthew Grace
Fredette is obviously no longer a defensive liability but a tenacious defender who moves his feet well and keeps his man in front of him most of the time.
There are 71 point guards in the NBA.
According to Hollingers Player Efficiency Ratings
Jimmer Fredette #11
Isaiah Thomas # 49
Aaron Brooks #53
Why is it that YOU or ANYONE else in the press don;t ask the REAL question “why isn’t Fredette the Kings starting PG?” Or “how come Fredette doesn’t get 30 minutes a game?”
On a team that is a Misery to watch, you have a player in Fredette who immediately injects a sense of team play, elevates his teammates game, throws great passes and is one of the most effective offensive players on the planet. Besides that a crowd Favorite…Yet night after night we watch has his “coach” refuses to let him get his rhythm. As soon as Fredette gets hot he yanks him. Or he simply will not let him play no matter how bad the Kings are getting killed.
AND why is it that coach “smart” seems VERY comfortable losing all these games? He is NEVER upset at all no matter how bad or often he loses?!
Could it be that the Magoofs want to make sure that the Kings not only have a horrible record but to make 100% sure that NOBODY, Especially Fredette as he has a HUGE fan base, become a star and a box office attraction? It is obvious to me and many other real basketball fans that this is EXACTLY what is happening in Sacdemento..and “coach smart” is knowingly or unknowingly towing the line ‘we can move the team if we can prove financial hardship.’
‘That the kings fan base is weak and disinterested and we HAVE to move the team.’
I and many other look forward to your response.
Thank You
Matthew Grace
I agree. Fredette on the right team will THRIVE.
25ppg 7 to 10 assists pg and 4 or 5 rebounds
AND a helluva a lot of fun to watch…
Sjsara
Keith Smart is a racist. He only plays black people. He tried to do that with Golden State, but the only exception was David Lee for obvious reasons. He also passed up on Jeremy Lin and look at where he is now. Fire Smart, he sucks and is a racist when it comes to basketball players who aren’t black.
Seanryankelly31
The mistake was bringing in Brooks. he just muddys the water. has he delivered more wins? Does he help in the development of your other three point guards. mistake, he has slowed the progressing of the others, and we don’t even have wins to show for it.
Matthew Grace
Jimmer is not only outplaying Brooks
and Thomas . .Jimmer is outplaying every point guard in the NBA .
Fredette is Number 1 in scoring in the
NBA for point guards(points per 48 minutes)–
and his Player Effeciency Rating
puts him
5th in the NBA for PG’s
behind CP3, Westbrook and
TParker..in front of Rondo, k Irving and Kemba Walker..These are serious
numbers and serious company Fredette has put himself in …not to mention that
Fredette is
# 1
in the NBA in free throwshooting.
Fredette has 6 steals his last 3 appearances.
I dont know if “smart’ is racist, biased, playing “favorites” or just a flat out Hater ( he does have a strong record of Hating …ask Jeremy Lin)…one thing he is NOT, is competent.
The fact that he is still allowed to ‘run” this team is enough evidence for me that the Maloofs are out to tank in a big way…empty arena- chance to move the team….
It’s decision time for Keith Smart: Jimmer Fredette or Isaiah Thomas?
82Two seasons ago, there was a training camp battle brewing in Sacramento between Omri Casspi and Donté Greene for the Kings’ starting small forward position. Boy, does that seem like a long time ago. But, fast forward two years later and Keith Smart is in the midst of a similar dilemma at point guard.
“That’s the hardest thing,” Smart said before Friday night’s game against the Indiana Pacers. “I think Brooks has moved to the forefront for now and I think his situation is pretty clear with how he’s playing and how the unit’s been playing.”
That clears up some of the confusion about who will get the start. Aaron Brooks brings a veteran leadership quality that neither two have quite mastered. But what does that mean for Smart’s two second-year point guards that are chomping at the bit to play?
Smart knows decision time is upon him. Does he give the minutes to Jimmer Fredette, the tenth overall pick in the 2010 NBA Draft? Or does he go with Isaiah Thomas, who emerged from oblivion to steal the starting job last season?
“Those two young men deserve and need to play,” a clearly perplexed Smart said following yesterday’s loss to Indiana. “But obviously, you can’t play all three point guards. I know it’s tough on those guys and all they have to do is be pros about it and try to keep their minds focused and ready for the basketball game.”
And that is what they have done. Both Thomas and Fredette have played extremely effective minutes over the last week, which makes matters even worse.
After scoring 10 points in 17 minutes a week ago in Utah, Jimmer played just five minutes the next night against the same Jazz team. When the Kings took on the Timberwolves on Tuesday, Jimmer sat on the bench for all 48 minutes, while Brooks and Thomas played.
Thomas is in a similar situation. In the first Utah match-up, Thomas sat for all 48 minutes. The next night, he split the reserve time with Jimmer, before coming off the bench to score 12 points in 21 minutes against the Timberwolves.
“I have to give those guys consistent minutes to find out for sure,” Smart added. “And that probably means eliminating one guy for a period of time and that’s always going to be difficult because both guys can play. Both guys bring something completely different from the other.”
And he’s right, both players can play at the NBA level and they bring completely different skill sets. Jimmer is a free wielding scorer, who creates well off the dribble. He has a variety of floaters and jumpers and his range is limitless. Thomas, on the other hand, is a quality pick-and-roll point guard with a solid catch-and-shoot, long-range shot.
At this point in their careers, Jimmer is the more polished offensive weapon, but he is still a ways away on the defensive end. Thomas is a better defender and even a better system scorer, but the Kings don’t really have what you would call a set offensive system.
So it’s time for Smart to make a decision and stick with it, and he knows it. It’s a tough one, but in the long term, it is what is right for the team.
“All you can do is have both of them ready,” Smart said pregame. “Keep trying to communicate to them. Keep encouraging them that it has nothing to do with you. Somehow, that will keep them into the games.”
It’s the situation they are in. And unfortunately, it is the situation Smart is in. At 4-11, the Kings need to cut down their rotation. Smart could use Tyreke Evans at small forward more often in attempt to steal minutes from other positions on the floor. But for continuity sake, one of these guys needs to sit and watch while the other one gets his shot.
The real question is which one?
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